Heidi, Morris, Liam and 3 others

Pretty expected with big ticket motions

It’d be weird if the media didn’t report on it lol

yeah, the mercury article was good

They're just reporting on the motion factually, it's not an opinion piece or a roast

It's not a big deal

Nothing like the Murdoch press having a field day

Well fuck

No doubt at someone else’s orders tho

Lol

😂😂

Haha, credit where credit’s due though - He messaged Heidi himself as opposed to having his agent contact her.

always ready for the camera

omg sam

*the alp was

To be fair though, you were going to get better coverage with the abc, then the Mercury

Haha 😂

lol

Lol

No, it was the assault motion and Newstart

Mm ... I think this was one the original motions were put up

tbh

if that happens im palming off to matt or something

mm

I was only ever contacted by media once regarding some light hearted article about deciding who to vote for. Could be awkward though if someone asks how Young Labor put up this motion, given 2 others were agreed to at our AGM.

yeah, the article was good in terms of the reporting of the rule changes, but they were just poking at bec and david

What’s the likelihood you think you’re asked for comment Heidi given it’s noted as being a Young Labor motion?

If there was always gonna be a story I don't think this article is at all bad

Oh, yeah the mercury articles lol

tru

We were drug and sex trade advocates last year according to the media lol

There was always gonna be media on the controversial stuff haha

just read the rest

nvm

nv

though that says motion came from lenah valley?

dear**

ohd ear

Great...

FYI

Unsurprised

The TYL leadership Motion caused a lot of controversy

That’s great

Ok

Ah nice

They just announced its being withdrawn

Nothing, must have been sorted in coordinating committee or before

What happened at meeting

Amazing

It’s being totally withdrawn FYI Heidi!!

I’m going, I’m only a little bit hungover 😂

Yeah, I’ll be going just in case, but don’t expect to be around for long

So I thought as much

Yea there’s been lots of conversations beforehand

Tbh we don't think there'll be much drama. Expect the Macquarie TYL motion to be deferred to admin (i.e. killed) and the Direct Elections one to be deferred to committee to come back for debate next week.

Oof 🤣

I dreamt last night that I came back early and came to caucus lol but alas I’m still in melb so not me :p

Who is coming to caucus today?

Yeah, would be interested to know how it “disappeared”

I’ll ask

Ah cool

Well I know there was one motion that got missed off the book from a HACSU member when we were caucusing, and they're following up to make sure it gets in - Devonport could do the same thing

Prob now

I can ask

What kind of update are
You after

Nah none sorry

Any updates on the child support motion?

Mm ... perhaps everyone knows exactly why Adam’s putting this up and it’s been seen as a proxy

No I don’t

Do you know who’s moved and seconded it within Macquarie?

It’s good to have him onside for once

But

Not sure if it’s needed now

Which is great

Turns out he’s not in on it at all

So Matt Clark has agreed to go to left meeting and speak against motion

It’s disgusting how corrupt this whole thing is

How corrupt is this process!

What the fuck

!!

What is actually going on

Apparently Devonport branch also submitted a policy around child protection which has disappeared

Essentially

.... Because the party is fucked

Just had to explain to Ali why there is no motion anymore re developing sexual assault policy

Yep. HACSU were very critical at caucus today

great!

Awesome

Just now

She messaged me

Jess munday is against policy

Thing is though is stuff always comes out

From what I can tell

Mm

She doesn’t want to stir the pot

She seems to do anything that helps in her prospects of becoming a senator one day

I have no idea where she stands on this stuff lately

Is it worth calling her

How about Nat

Yea fe

Jacobs too close to Adam

And Nat Jones - what is her take ?

I know he was involved in YL quite heavily

Is it worth talking to Jacob batt also - is anyone closish to him?

Okay

I think

If we can kill the motion on Sunday that’s enough for now

Let’s just see what happens for now

I meant in future

Not at this stage no

Do we go complain to some heavyweights in other states or something?

And totally corrupt

It’s ridiculous

It annoys me that this whole thing is a TYL affair and Adam trying to use his numbers in the party at large is disgraceful obviously

I hope they have tho ability to keep to themselves

I guess

If they’re convinced to do so by Adam ?

Why would they though

Mm

Yeah, Hacsu could still support it ...

If you are able to talk to Tim / hacsu before that happens ness / Dee that would be great

Others being unions

But also said she wouldn’t give me a clear answer yet and would have to talk to some others

And had concerns about it setting a precedent

She seems a little taken a back that the motion even exists

Munday

Just had a quick chat to jess

And might talk to other uv people

Yes surely

As he’d be against it surely ?

Messaging Stephen McCallum too

To try and set up call

And yea I’ll message Jess

That’s good

Which is great

And said he’s been talking to people against the motion

Yeah I think calling Jess munday and Jannette Armstrong would be a good idea

Ok Stuart just called me

/ unions

Munday

Was wondering whether to maybe call jess my day

Re the young labor thing

Is there anyone else I should talk to

Lol ok

Lol nah there is contro shit in there but it’s good contro

Oh yeah

Nah, I’m talking more generally on other policy

Yeah, I mean if a purge is going to happen, it’ll be once we get into govt

I can’t imagine the party putting anything up too controversial, giving what’s happening re. Libspill. We could be in government by the end of the year

It was an inconsistency in the writing with what actually happens

Stuart explained it to me last admin

Or something like that

It’s literally just updating the policy to reflect the fact we elect 5 delegates to state conference from each electorate or something - because before it said 2 even though we elect 5

Oh yea I know what that is that’s fine

There’s something about how YL state conference delegates are elected moved by admin but I haven’t had to time check the rule it references

But trying

I’m
Away and can only read it on my phone

Is there anything else cooked in the Policy book btw

Tbh

That’s hilarious

Great...

Lolol

When I worked in parliament David sent around an email to all members and EO’s introducing Meg and followed with “who’s currently very active in Young Labor”.

Probably

For now he has the numbers

*rolls eyes *

But I guess Adam just assumes he’ll always have the numbers

The ridiculous thing is the ones that aren’t doing they’re jobs are the Adam stacks - meg brown for instance ? Like you’d think this kind of rule would be easily used against them also

That sounds about right

Doesn’t the A in ALP stand for Adam though??

Also Adam could be trying to remove other allies

FYI adding dale to this as I’ve asked him to go along on Sunday

Cooked

Imagine if the right got the numbers midway through a term and were like na get fucked we’re taking that admin position thanks

A contact added you to the group.

The precedent is awful

yeah, it very vague

Yea totally

Tyl is supposed to be a mini alp so like if it was consistent across the board then the party officers would be able to remove the Party president lmao it’s just ridiculous

Undemocratic - 140 members statewide, majority on exec is 5. What accountability exists when this action is taken?

Yes still cooked

All good

Nah, still cooked

But it’s still cooked

Might make it harder to argue against

for some reason I thought it was

So it’s not specific to the president position

Might be taking a while given the volume of members they’re sending it too

Thanks lism

Hmm

Policy book was sent out ten minutes ago via email

Have motions been sent out? I haven’t received this yet

The motion

yea

Oh, that’s makes more sense

hes national young labor left returning officer

sorry not ayl

Also wouldn’t national AYL returning Officer go to the right faction, given that there so protective of control

He may need to do the numbers at the left Steering committee before hand

Covertly

I might be able to find out

we'll see

im not sure if hes actually going though

hes still the national AYL returning officer

I didn’t know that

Oh what lol

Wouldn’t stop him. He went to the last one and he’d aged out then also.

I don’t think he will be, he’s aged out by a couple of years hasn’t he?

If Adam’s not at the meeting but at AYL this could be a breakthrough

as well

and julie

telling her to warn me

he spoke to claire about it

yea hes against motino

oh haha

Misread not for it as not for opposing

all g

Sorry at work and read all that at once

:\

That’s just Stuart doing whatever Carol wants of him

really wish i could be there sunday

mmhmm

this is going to make for an interesting day

but i dunno if hed be willing to say anything

to my knoweldge

stuart is not for it

amazing

I’ll get Stuart, Sharon and Nat

tyty

t

ok will do

Tell Julie I know what I’m going to say

julie nad ella are both aware and against it

ty

So we’ve got Julie if I give her cover?

Will try to make it

And I’m not scared to speak against it too

ty!

I’ll be there and am prepared to speak against it

I’ll be there

can i get all ofyou to go along?

and advised that i make sure some allies attend the left meeting on sunday - i wont be able to because ill be away

(she brought it up )

i had a chat to julie this morning re this

hey all

As usual

Was me and her against the boys club

But she had no chance sadly

Claire tried to put her hand up for the spot

Oh on a side note ben is going to be on the AYL exec

Which is a bit of a joke

He is returning officer still though

Re ayl im not sure

Yes

It’s definitely Adam

Will he go to the left or AYL this weekend though?

Adam must have put this motion forward at the last minute, deadline for submissions doesn’t line up with when the Macquarie Branch meets

Tbh Adam was always going to try to remove Heidi as TYL President; when he had the opportunity, but this way just causes suspicion on the part of Adam (members will be asking why and what for, TYL needs these powers)

well theere cooked so...

Probably too many if you asked the NSW right

I was just thinking it seems like not many that's all

Yeah 3 delegates and 3 alternates

only 3 deligates

Claire not a delegate though

Me Ben sam and Claire are going to AYL

Yeah Julie is I think

Who's going to AYL from TYL?

About it

Maybe I’ll ask her

Julie is on that isn’t she

Yea fe

Re the pres removal thing, that decision will practically speaking be made in left coordinating committee and left caucus will just follow suit so if it’s gonna be killed it needs to be killed in coordinating committee

Better to talk in person about what to do if we have serious cause to believe that will happen closer to the date, there will still be options available for a response which we should consider then

They'd have to suspend standing orders which would look even more appalling and I doubt even they would pull that, so I feel like this is probably a bit too speculative for now

Like what needs to be reaffirmed?

Ben Spudman can't tell you to do shit, the motions they submitted were already accepted by Labor House?

👍

Yea

tell those who listen and explain the circumstances

Which is what I did

Except
Tell them
They’re shit and then abstain from motions

I mean I am tempted to speak on the matter at the left meeting

so there’s not much I can do

yeah

On exec

Shit men have majority

okay

I really couldn’t be bothered

Nah

did you tell him that

Ohwell

But

Same

Yep

I question the email ballot's validity because the membership of TYL is according to the minutes unaware of it even being taken

Hah

That was my evening

But yea

Fucked

Which I told them was ducked and that I wouldn’t be doing anything before tomorrow

In fact they bound me to do it by 10pm tonight

FYI Ben etc also bound meto reaffirm that email ballot mart sent out changing the TYL conference motions

Though

If some of you can go just to report back that would be good

Yea

well that's good

So whatever

But I heard that Stuart thinks it’s cooked

I’ll be in melb

*numbers

because we have the humbers in TYL at large

But the left meeting to determine positions on motions is Sunday, guess we'd better all go along to speak up against this one - Can already suspend standing orders at a meeting and move no confidence. Why this?

does this mean we need to run the numbers for conference to try to kill this motion?

haha

But appropriate I guess

That was accident

Oops

Def

Yea

Be interesting to see who else is in that branch, older members etc. Thinking to themselves why they're supporting/care about something like this

Yeeep

it'd go down in history for its infamy

Because it’s so ridiculous it’s funny

I actually almost want it to happen

Hahahahahha

well shit

Good times

So - effectively they’re trying to roll me

I heard on the grape vine that Macquarie branch (ie Adam and Matt Clark ) have submitted a motion to conference amending therules to allow the TYL executive to remove the president

So news of the day

Yep, will come briefly 👍

I’ll be there for a little while too

I will be for like an hour

Pls come and keep me company ❤

Is everyone coming to politics in the pub tonight

Something to look into ...

Also UK Labour (and I think the Tories) have suspension rule where people who have have accused of misconduct/crimes are suspended pending investigation

If these happened in any other organisation, these things would dealt with immediately

Yeah, of course!

Their failure to do anything prior to now is pretty disgraceful

Shutting themselves that is

Well tbh they should be !

They’re are probably people in labour and the liberals, shitting themselves, after that report, because more stuff will come out after that report -

Yea the greens stuff is definitely relevant

Also the greens 7:30 report

Yea

Anonymously but it has set a Precedent

the staffers came out

Maybe

True

Yeah, I think that may have tigered it?

Yea it’s a big mess 😕

Did you hear about the Emma Hussar case ?

Which is unsurprising

Because ‘incidents’ have occurred in several states

That is interesting

Apparently labor nationally are developing policies around dealing with internal bullying, harassment etc etc which all states will be forced to adopt

With regards to what?

It was interesting

I had my first admin meeting yesterday

Hey so

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No

is this still on?

Reminder, 1 hour until the event at 16:30.

fe @Liam

Sunday/Monday are bad sorry (assignments)

I can do tomorrow no problem

what about tomorrow harry?

I can’t do Monday afternoon but I can do Monday morning or evening

all good. hows tomorrow or monday

family dinner tonight sorry

How about everyone else ??

Today is best for me

Happy to have you all here if that works ! Or can meet somewhere near city

When would be good for everyone :)

However it would still be good to catch up sometime over the long weekend

Hey guys so I made the tentative meet up Monday afternoon because it would be before phone banking but there’s actually no phone banking this Monday due to it being a public holiday

All good (y)

Thought the public holiday might work better anyway for people to get there !!

Sorry all I’m still not very well so postponing this

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Mm

but I assume its the ones matt sent in

no

Any feedback on what TYL motions are going up?

hahah classic stuart

yea fe

I reckon you received the papers in that fashion on this occasion because they were incorrectly sent to me before I corrected Stuart that they needed to be sent to you

I guess

its all good it was fine im just dubious of everything atm

oh lol

but thanks hah

I was in it

nah there was actually

well if it makes you feel less edgy about it there was no pre caucus that i'm aware of cos i was in a meeting with tammy until just before

um yea

what time was admin? 3:30?

but idk fine I guess?

well I called in so its harder to tell

mm im probably just dubious of everything tbh

What were the other left members like on admin?

but could still be dodgy don't get me wrong

especially when it's a special admin

yea fe

tbf sometimes stuart is just extremely disorganised

not sure

yikes. when did julie get it?

and only after asking for it

I also got sent out the admin details literally like an hour before the meeting fyi

it does

mm

Yeah true, it was wasn't it

yeah seems pointed esp as last time conference was deferred the motion deadline was extended

which I thought was interesting :\

that motion deadline def would NOT be extended

it was discussed in admin today actually

yep

Nominations for motions has also closed

Conference is now in September if everyone got the email

It’s just 10 questions :)

Thanks harry you can do it

Unless Liam you’ve done the Keating one because that’ll be much funnier

I’m doing the who said these famous political quotes one

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What about if you Paul Keating quotes (The lesser-known ones)

Anyone else want to write some

Fe

I’m trying to think which one I can do better questions for

Hmmmm

which one lol

Yeah

or 'famous political quotes / who said that' ?

yay! want to do 10 questions on either aus federal poltiics,?

Yeah I could do some

im organising the q writing and delegtaing rounds to people

on a side note do any of you feel like writing questions for julies fundraiser quiz night in august lol

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also possibly a visit to jos office opening at 2pm if i can fit it in :PP

Man that is a day

labor junkies is correct

oh dear

haha

its my day off work that day and i now have labor meetings 11am, 1pm and 4:30 and phone banking 5:30

4:30

but lets go with monday

i knwo everyone is busy

i dont think there is much need for another fb call before then tbh

lol

What about a fb call in the meantime?

Oh god yeah

You can tell were all Politics junkies

lol 😂

Excactly

No such thing as too much Labor stuff

lol

is that too much labor stuff

then you have meeting

then do callin

so we could meet like 4:30/5?

calling is 5:30

oh thats ok

7

at labor house where the calling's taking place

what time

oh right fe

the 4th yea

oh, we've got a branch meeting haha

This Monday coming?

Probably works better

but there is also YL phone banking monday so could do before that one>??

Ah fair call

until 5

im working sorry

Before the training on Thursday? Make 2 trips into town 1?

Ok sorry for delay on other stuff - I’m not dying anymore lol. Would people be free to meet on the weekend maybe ? Or we could try for Monday evening next week?

not much response so far

trying to be productive in YL exec...

and no not yet

ok sure

If that were to happen, Heidi would just have to consult the admin committee under 9.4 A to host the conference outside of May

Any response from labor house/Stuart yet?

Exactly

Actually that's a good point... if it's inquorate as a conference does that mean it can't have proceeded as a normal meeting? It would easily have met quorum as an ordinary meeting

Then have Labor House follow up with Matt about getting the minutes and attendance sheet

Only thing I can suggest doing at this point is writing to Labor House next Monday (2 weeks on) asking that because the meeting has been invalidated, does it still count towards members' voting eligibility. I.e. Not a conference, but still a meeting for those in attendance.

Haha!

why is this group not the exec instead :(

ikr

lol

fuck Morris's brutal roasts are giving me life

true

The members can amend them at the next meeting

for his own sake surely?

even incorrect ones would be better than nothing?

nd then cant even produce minutes from first meeting

fights for secretary

pretty poor perforamcne tbh

Yeah, he won't write them up and has probably destroyed (Sorry *lost*) the attendance sheet

-.-

i just asked matt again

still havent recieved any m,inutes from AGM

ol

Not sure whether they were playing dungeons and dragons or it was a grade 6 SOSE project

very

But yeah, that's really strange

done

yep ok

I reckon change the password for the account then go to your google docs, delete that one (Because it's not ours) and check the remaining ones

just me as far as im aware

Just you and Matt?

who has access to the account?

how do I do htat

what..

Mm

They just said lock up your documents??

its really weird idk

Who are theses people??

Yep

There's someone on there right now making changes???

will do

yea probably

Is there an option to view all docs and just delete it because it's clearly not yours?

yes

no clue

Is that tasmanianyounglabor@gmail.com?

Are they (still) alp members

That's weird

How did it any up in the drive? Does it have a date?

super random

I just dont know how it ended up in the drive to begin with

because I clicked share

well that link above can?^^

yes it can

whaaaaat

Can this be linked to anyone?

ok thats very odd

Right now

there’s been editing it again

perhaps

oh dear

I guess one of them forgot they were logged into TYL and meant to save to their own drive? 😬

it says last edit was made yesterday/.??

:|

Lol

Uhhhhh what

sure

not usre

?

What date is it from

Wtf

im terribly confused

anyone know why????????

I just found this in the TYL gmail drive

on a side note

umm

To play devils advocate Adam could try block The creation of an committee too

though a lot of the exec (present company excluded) isn’t going to much

Mm fair point

And in fact I think drawing attention to the fact that we’re organising separately to general YL by doing it through a formal committee makes it more likely they’ll make the effort to counter-organise

I agree

I don’t think there needs to be another committee established to do more organising of our own though

I guess Hobart one would play more of an Organising roll

Well the young labor exec is very pro-Adam (at the moment), and The state executives, historically haven’t done much organising and memberships build up (at lease collectively)

What would the strategic value be around starting a hobart one?

but yea

thats not surprising

When Adam was first president, the exec was more north based

yeah, young labor is very 7000-centric, so it would be good to have events in the northern suburbs or in Franklin ....

though I could be wrong

not sure that would change even if the president was somewhere else

but yea I guess like its also about the fact that the majority members are based in Hobart / most things happen in hobart

thats true

But at the same time, the rules are more for the north and north west

Not necessarily - Like we shouldn't presume that the TYL pres will always be from Hobart

like it would be pointless having one in Hobart wouldn't it?

but your not based in a regional area

mmm True, I would be

Tbh it would only work if the relevant regional organisers were keen

Mm maybe

just a thought

Hey, just searching up Young Labor Regs, in the Party rule book , their is a clause saying that Young Labor can establish regional committee's, penning approval of the Admin Committee? Perhaps we should create these? Rule 9.7

Fair enough 👍

Hi all I know we discussed meeting up tonight but I’m super unwell and it’s probably not a good idea to head out anywhere for meetings . Happy to do another fb call or something though

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Let’s do a phone link up today and then meet Monday evening in person then ?

a group phone linkup/facebook call could work

I can do any time today or early tomorrow morning or Monday evening

Can group fb call or something

Maybe we should do a phone link up the morning ?

It does concern me that that gives a whole weekend for who knows what to get around members about this

Is Monday the earliest everyone can do?

But we’re certainly not going to meet at a union or something if that’s what you mean

I think it hardly matters at this point

Yeah

To meet ?

Mm perhaps we should chose somewhere under the radar i.e. where party members won’t run into us?

Hmmm yeah, I guess it just seems like I’ve opened a Pandora’s box

This is not your fault harry

I feel like I’ve inadvertently torn the faction apart

Very 😞

This whole thing is kinda depressing

I know

Yea 😕

^ Yep. And people we would have thought would be supportive have turned against it.

I can’t believe so much controversy has been generated over a sexual assault motion

Ah, I can do after hours weekdays

I can only do Saturday or after work hours weekdays

Sure

Yea

Mmm ... Monday?

This has gotten pretty big

I think that we should all meet over the weekend tbh and discuss what to do

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